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This is another interview in my series of interviews on masculinity. Peter draws specific attention to how his heterosexual relationships with women emphasized his masculinity. In the world of dating and relationships, this is the angle that we are often most interested in. I am grateful that he chose to share this insight with us.
When was the first time you remember being aware of masculinity? How old were you? What was the cultural climate or influence?
I suspect that it was a few months before I turned 18. Sure, I’d spent my share of time ogling girls and watching porn and wanking like a savage 17-year-old, but it was never something I did with an awareness of maleness attached. But it was during my last year of high school, right after Christmas, that a long-term friend became a girlfriend. And then I discovered that she was an emotional wreck. And then I discovered that I really got off on being a knight* in shining armor, on being Atlas — on holding up her sky. That was my awakening into masculinity.
It was also a long-distance thing. She and I had gone to school together, but then I moved. By the time we became a couple, I lived some 400 miles away. It took around three months for us to get a chance to see each other for the first time since getting “together,” and even that was only for a week or two. So my knighthood developed primarily along emotional and intellectual (rather than physical) lines.
So when the time came to start sleeping together, it was complicated. I’d never even held a girl’s hand before her, and she’d had a bit of experience, most of it bad. She, like so many women, had been a victim of violent sexual abuse as a child. I knew only that I wanted to protect her, to make her feel safe, to see her really smile now and again. She wanted me to slap her around, call her names, and facefuck her. At first, I was repulsed — mostly by the cognitive dissonance caused by wanting to give her what she wanted, and having based most of my personality around the role of guardian. I’ll get back to this in answering the other questions.
*I’ve seen a lot of discourse about the mixed messages sent to women, the social imperative to be the “virgin whore,” etc. I’ve seen almost no mention of the analogue that men often face — the social imperative to be both a knight and an ogre.
Do you think of yourself as masculine? Why or why not?
The simple answer is “Yes.” The complicated answer is “Yes, but not to the exclusion of all else.” Physically, I’m a fairly big guy — 5-foot-11, 230 pounds, stronger than one might expect from a guy who exercises as little as I do. Intellectually and socially, I’m very alpha-male, most of the time. I’m also a dom, thanks in large part to the aforementioned first girlfriend, and it’s not a part of me that belongs exclusively to my sexuality. It’s also something that is a feature of my character and not just of my behavior. (I remember one time in college, some friends were hanging out at our apartment. Girl A asked Girl B about what exactly a “dom” is. Girl B struggled for a while to explain, then threw her hands in the air exasperatedly, saying “You know, like Peter!”)
Thinking about it now, it’s interesting (though not entirely surprising) that I answer the question “Are you masculine?” with “Yes, I’m dominant.” But there are a lot of ways to play the dom game, just like there are a lot of ways to play the man game, and some of those ways are preferable to others. At first, I was repulsed and confused by the things my ex wanted me to do to her. I was repulsed and confused by the idea of treating her as an object and taking from her whatever I wanted. Then I thought about it a bit and realized that when I was slapping her and calling her a whore, it wasn’t about me — it was about her. So I discovered that dominance must be tempered by love, empathy, and affection.
So those are the things I use to temper my masculinity. I can’t say for sure that I’m more of a knight than an ogre. But I play up the atmosphere of the knight, so when I act like an ogre, most people are either amused or forgiving. Everyone who knows me knows that they are rarely safer than when they’re with me, so no one takes issue when I heap insults and derision on those I love.
It’s a game of spectrums and opposites, but the trick, at least in my experience, has been to play both sides. A piano will always sound like a piano, but the effect it has on the listener depends on the skill of the player and the type of composition. I will always be a man, but the way I interact with the world, with others, and with myself will always depend on the last good book I read, the alignment of the stars, and how long it’s been since I last got laid.
So it goes.
How does your masculinity relate to your sexuality (be it your orientation, preferences, or expressions)?
I haven’t really left myself a lot of room to answer this question, I think. I’m feeling the strong impulse to talk about being a dom instead of talking about being a man. Let’s see.
I don’t think I could have sex with or be in a relationship with a woman who was taller than me. But is that a consequence of masculinity, or dominance?
I enjoy the feeling of self-mastery, and the feeling I get when others accept my authority. But is that a consequence of masculinity, or dominance?
I like being stronger than people and being smarter than people, but I also like people who are stronger than me and smarter than me. But is that a consequence of masculinity, or dominance?
I don’t know. I think that in my case, at least, the two are too interwoven to reasonably differentiate. So my masculinity is my sexuality, but that’s a masculinity rooted in Nietzsche’s Übermensch, in Kierkegaard’s “self-making man,” in hardcore pornography, in hugs and savage affection, in sunsets and oceans and the wind in the trees and leather on skin.


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7 Responses for "Musings on Masculinity: Peter"
This has been an interesting series so far but of all the interviews, I find this one particularly fascinating and illuminating. Thank you Peter for being so open and honest.
I’ve never seen the knight/ogre split articulated like this, but I can definitely think of the ways in which I feel it’s influence on my life. I would almost say that I’ve lost the desire to be a knight due to various experiences over the last few years, but when I think about it I know that’s not quite true. I think I’ve just gotten better at integrating the two sides (seems to be a running theme in my life) to become a sort of gentleman lecher.
I’m always fascinated by the height thing. I mean, sure, I do think it would be kind of cool to have a partner who’s shorter than me, but there aren’t many people shorter than five foot two. It always boggles me when I see people expressing actual deep discomfort with dating someone of particular heights. (Not to say that this person is wrong, of course.)
Also, I’m glad to see someone talking about how his partner asked him to get into BDSM/rough sex. All too often people make the bizarre assumption that men pressure, cajole, or force women into “porn sex,” when it’s very common for tops/sexually dominant people/etc to be made, not born. :)
Please keep in mind that as a dude who’s close to 6 feet tall, it’s fairly rare for me to encounter women who are taller than me. So it’s not so much a matter of experiencing discomfort with dating someone of a “particular height,” but more a matter of habit. If I met a woman who was 6-foot-2 and was awesome in every way, I’d at least try and make an effort to get over it, and I’d probably succeed. But as I am now, it’d be a little weird for me.
As a Californian, I’d have a bit of a hard time dating a woman with, for example, a strong Texan accent. Would I get used to it, with a bit of time and effort? Of course. But at first listen, it’d be a little off-putting. Our bodies are at least as much a vehicle for language as is language itself. So if a woman’s body is noticeably different from my general expectation of what a woman’s body should be (and again, this isn’t a question of gender normativity, but one of personal habits), it’d require some adjustments to be made on my part.
Thanks Peter. I’ve gotten a fair number of “You’re too short to be a top” and “Aw, I just want to protect you” and similar silly nonsense that makes me want to deck people, so when I see stuff like height talked about as a signifier of dominance or lack thereof I get both mystified and riled.
I think it’s reasonable for a sub to run into some tension when confronted with the notion of being dommed by a person who’s shorter (or weaker, or whatever criterion we’re using to talk about dominance) than they are, just like it’s reasonable for me to run into tension when confronted with the notion of domming a woman who’s taller (or stronger, or smarter, or more successful or whatever) than me.
The tension itself isn’t a problem. People deal with tensions in a lot of different ways, obviously. One very common way of dealing with tension is avoidance (which, in a romantic/sexual context, would be a problem). Another is sexualization. Part of my getting-used-to-it process, if I were to become involved with a taller (/smarter/stronger/more successful) woman would entail coming to terms with the difference and sexualizing it. After a bit of work, I suspect I’d learn to find it more sexy rather than less that I was domming a woman who exceeds me in some particular dimension of dominance.
Similarly, I think that the subs you get involved with, once they get over the initial tension, will find it more sexy rather than less that they’ll be getting dommed by a woman who “shouldn’t be able” to dom them.
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