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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.lumpesse.com/2006/04/women-can-be-sick-fucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-5991</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry.  The class is &quot;Sex Panics In History &amp; Society.&quot;  I misplaced the quotes, as well.  (Was in a rush to respond to a good topic!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry.  The class is &#8220;Sex Panics In History &amp; Society.&#8221;  I misplaced the quotes, as well.  (Was in a rush to respond to a good topic!)</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
		<link>http://www.lumpesse.com/2006/04/women-can-be-sick-fucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-5990</link>
		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently in a graduate level class entitled &quot;Sex Panics within History and Society in which we have read History of Sexuality cover to cover, critically examining nearly every line.&quot;  
In examining the passage you are quoting, I think it&#039;s important to understand that in this passage, Foucault was not trivializing child abuse.  Rather, I think he was trying to exemplify the ways in which the sexuality of children came under the scope of adults as power began trickling from the government and the Church down to the individuals.  As the Church began moralizing sexual behaviors among bodies, government began reinforcing these ideals through the criminal justice system, which then gave individuals within society the power to monitor and reinforce these moralized ideals of sexualized behavior.

For the record, I am horrified by the thought of child abuse and molestation.  But I am a critical feminist as well and felt I should point out that you quoted Foucault out of context.  However, I enjoyed reading this and think it&#039;s important to engage with these important historical texts and am certainly glad you are doing so.

&lt;em&gt;I think that if you look at my commentary more closely, you&#039;ll see that we don&#039;t disagree very much.  I&#039;ve read History of Sexuality (all 3 volumes) several times.  I&#039;m not quoting out of context because I know that this passage isn&#039;t about abuse.  However, it is still trivializing of it to a certain extent.  - Ellie&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently in a graduate level class entitled &#8220;Sex Panics within History and Society in which we have read History of Sexuality cover to cover, critically examining nearly every line.&#8221;<br />
In examining the passage you are quoting, I think it&#8217;s important to understand that in this passage, Foucault was not trivializing child abuse.  Rather, I think he was trying to exemplify the ways in which the sexuality of children came under the scope of adults as power began trickling from the government and the Church down to the individuals.  As the Church began moralizing sexual behaviors among bodies, government began reinforcing these ideals through the criminal justice system, which then gave individuals within society the power to monitor and reinforce these moralized ideals of sexualized behavior.</p>
<p>For the record, I am horrified by the thought of child abuse and molestation.  But I am a critical feminist as well and felt I should point out that you quoted Foucault out of context.  However, I enjoyed reading this and think it&#8217;s important to engage with these important historical texts and am certainly glad you are doing so.</p>
<p><em>I think that if you look at my commentary more closely, you&#8217;ll see that we don&#8217;t disagree very much.  I&#8217;ve read History of Sexuality (all 3 volumes) several times.  I&#8217;m not quoting out of context because I know that this passage isn&#8217;t about abuse.  However, it is still trivializing of it to a certain extent.  &#8211; Ellie</em></p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://www.lumpesse.com/2006/04/women-can-be-sick-fucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also!  i think that patriarchy is a reality, not just an ideology.  but women perpetuate it just as much as men.  women can benefit from it just as much as men can suffer from it.

also, please update! i know you&#039;re a busy gal, but i want more! more! more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also!  i think that patriarchy is a reality, not just an ideology.  but women perpetuate it just as much as men.  women can benefit from it just as much as men can suffer from it.</p>
<p>also, please update! i know you&#8217;re a busy gal, but i want more! more! more!</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
		<link>http://www.lumpesse.com/2006/04/women-can-be-sick-fucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s harder for people to accept that women, who are socialized to be the primary nurturers of children, can also be such a destructive force in the life of the child.  if you look at the sex offender registry in your own zip code, i assure you that you will find female sex offenders.

but i also guarantee you that you will find more men.  people would be outraged if it were a male teacher who did it to a female child, both because of the way we&#039;re socialized, the apparent power differentials (they exist too when females are the sex offenders), but I also feel that it&#039;s unfair the amount of attention that&#039;s placed on somewhat attractive female teachers/sex offenders.  they get disproportionate press and it&#039;s sensationalized and sometimes trivialized--we need more accurate media that provides us with ways to protect our children from sexual abuse, more ways to empower our children and equip them to protect themselves.  instead we pretend sex doesn&#039;t happen until your 21 and that you&#039;ll never need to learn about abuse, gender relations, self-defense, STDs, baby-making, contraceptives--until you&#039;re an adult.

sad, sad, sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s harder for people to accept that women, who are socialized to be the primary nurturers of children, can also be such a destructive force in the life of the child.  if you look at the sex offender registry in your own zip code, i assure you that you will find female sex offenders.</p>
<p>but i also guarantee you that you will find more men.  people would be outraged if it were a male teacher who did it to a female child, both because of the way we&#8217;re socialized, the apparent power differentials (they exist too when females are the sex offenders), but I also feel that it&#8217;s unfair the amount of attention that&#8217;s placed on somewhat attractive female teachers/sex offenders.  they get disproportionate press and it&#8217;s sensationalized and sometimes trivialized&#8211;we need more accurate media that provides us with ways to protect our children from sexual abuse, more ways to empower our children and equip them to protect themselves.  instead we pretend sex doesn&#8217;t happen until your 21 and that you&#8217;ll never need to learn about abuse, gender relations, self-defense, STDs, baby-making, contraceptives&#8211;until you&#8217;re an adult.</p>
<p>sad, sad, sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.lumpesse.com/2006/04/women-can-be-sick-fucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, it&#039;s very wrong to not equate how much of a predator people like Miss LaFave is compared to a guy who&#039;d do the same. 

It&#039;s sexist because people think fair play to the little guy, rather than thinking he might be hurt, confused and upset. They find it funny because he&#039;s pulled a teacher and is hey, he&#039;s doing man stuff, and he&#039;s a boy, so it&#039;s all good. 

If the teacher had been male people would be outraged, society has double standards galore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, it&#8217;s very wrong to not equate how much of a predator people like Miss LaFave is compared to a guy who&#8217;d do the same. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sexist because people think fair play to the little guy, rather than thinking he might be hurt, confused and upset. They find it funny because he&#8217;s pulled a teacher and is hey, he&#8217;s doing man stuff, and he&#8217;s a boy, so it&#8217;s all good. </p>
<p>If the teacher had been male people would be outraged, society has double standards galore.</p>
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		<title>By: Al aka El Negro Magnifico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al aka El Negro Magnifico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the saddest double-standards out there, and I&#039;m guilty of thinking &quot;those lucky little bastards&quot;, only because I would&#039;ve sacrificed a limb to get with my 11th grade English teacher. But therein lies the difference. That was &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; teenaged fantasy. Adults preying upon impressionable youth is inexcusable, no matter who&#039;s doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the saddest double-standards out there, and I&#8217;m guilty of thinking &#8220;those lucky little bastards&#8221;, only because I would&#8217;ve sacrificed a limb to get with my 11th grade English teacher. But therein lies the difference. That was <i>my</i> teenaged fantasy. Adults preying upon impressionable youth is inexcusable, no matter who&#8217;s doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 03:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Astute points.

To me the point of this passage is the dichotomy of trivializing child abuse vs. understanding that the social repression of sexuality has harsher consequences then isolated incidences.

&quot;One can be fairly certain that during this time period the Lapcourt schoolmaster was instructing the little villagers to mind their language and not talk about all these things aloud.&quot;

The repression of sexuality, lack of sexual education and lack of basic healthy respect for ones body takes an act that can be almost innocent and make it life changingly traumatic.

It is the perversity of society is what Foucault is speaking about. If society did not secretize sex, if it didn&#039;t sanctify and at the same time demonize sexuality, if it didn&#039;t form guilt traps and unlivable systems of thought then these little girls who were &quot;caressed&quot; in the woods could run away and not be forever scarred.

Then there is the whole question of what social constructs placed the man in the position of needing to feel empowered by...

Eh. Why bother. Fucking Foucault. Mental masturbation... sort of literally. That bald French sadomasochistic genius. I wonder how much more condescending that passage sounds in perfect French.

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m sure its quite condescending, I haven&#039;t read it in French, though ;)  I partially agree with what you are saying except perhaps the bit about repression is a misreading.  The chapter on the repressive hypothesis is that repression is actually impossible.  Acts to stiffle something, inevitably lead to a torrent of chatter and creation of talk about it.  That is what he is getting at with the part about making the simpleton talk about sex.  But, it all leads to the same point, that power flows in unpredictable ways but isn&#039;t taken or given per se. - ellie&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Astute points.</p>
<p>To me the point of this passage is the dichotomy of trivializing child abuse vs. understanding that the social repression of sexuality has harsher consequences then isolated incidences.</p>
<p>&#8220;One can be fairly certain that during this time period the Lapcourt schoolmaster was instructing the little villagers to mind their language and not talk about all these things aloud.&#8221;</p>
<p>The repression of sexuality, lack of sexual education and lack of basic healthy respect for ones body takes an act that can be almost innocent and make it life changingly traumatic.</p>
<p>It is the perversity of society is what Foucault is speaking about. If society did not secretize sex, if it didn&#8217;t sanctify and at the same time demonize sexuality, if it didn&#8217;t form guilt traps and unlivable systems of thought then these little girls who were &#8220;caressed&#8221; in the woods could run away and not be forever scarred.</p>
<p>Then there is the whole question of what social constructs placed the man in the position of needing to feel empowered by&#8230;</p>
<p>Eh. Why bother. Fucking Foucault. Mental masturbation&#8230; sort of literally. That bald French sadomasochistic genius. I wonder how much more condescending that passage sounds in perfect French.</p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m sure its quite condescending, I haven&#8217;t read it in French, though ;)  I partially agree with what you are saying except perhaps the bit about repression is a misreading.  The chapter on the repressive hypothesis is that repression is actually impossible.  Acts to stiffle something, inevitably lead to a torrent of chatter and creation of talk about it.  That is what he is getting at with the part about making the simpleton talk about sex.  But, it all leads to the same point, that power flows in unpredictable ways but isn&#8217;t taken or given per se. &#8211; ellie</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nobilis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your points are very well taken, Ellie.

Thank you for saying something many of us think but haven&#039;t had the courage to say.

&lt;em&gt; I&#039;m sure it has been said before but it bears repeating. - Ellie&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your points are very well taken, Ellie.</p>
<p>Thank you for saying something many of us think but haven&#8217;t had the courage to say.</p>
<p><em> I&#8217;m sure it has been said before but it bears repeating. &#8211; Ellie</em></p>
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