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How many more times does this have to happen before people realize that women can also be sexual predators? Maybe I’m insane but over the last few years there seems to be an epidemic of teachers fucking their students. The response from most people seems to be to laugh it off (and many men mention that they wish they had a teacher like that.) Would anyone think this was funny if it were happening to 12 and 13-year-old girls?
Recently, Debra LaFave’s case was dropped by the prosecutor even though she admits her guilt. The article is full of maudlin bullshit about her faith in God and this being a bump on her Christian path. The most interesting thing about that link is that on the right side of the page is a CNN poll asking this question:
“Did Debra Lafave benefit from a double standard on sex crimes?”
90 percent of people say yes. This isn’t a political issue. This isn’t about feminism or mysogyny. This is about our standards of sexual misconduct and expectations of men and boys to be always already sexualized.
I grappled this week with a difficult to stomach passage in Foucault’s History of Sexuality, those who are familiar with it will remember the “curdled milk” story, I’ll post the paragraph for the benefit of the others:
One day in 1867, a farm hand from the village of Lapcourt, who was somewhat simpleminded, employed here then there, depending on teh season, living hand to mouth from a little charity or in exchange for the worst sort of labor, sleeping in barns and stables, was turned into authorities. At the border of the field, he had obtained a few caresses from a little girl, just as he had done before and seen done by the village urchins around him; for at the very edge of the wood, or in the ditch by the road leading to Saint-Nicholas, they would play the familiar game called “curdled milk.” So he was pointed out by the girl’s parents to the mayor of the village, reported by the mayor to the gendarmes, led by the gendarmes to the judge, who indicted him and turned him over first to a doctor, then to two other experts who not only wrote their report but also had it published. What is the significant thing about this story? The pettiness of it all; the fact that this everyday occurence in the life of village sexuality, these inconsequential bucolic pleasures, could become, from a certain time, the object not only of a collective intoleracne but of a judicial action, a medical intervention, a careful clinical examination, and an entire theoretical elaboration. The thing to note is that they went so far as to measure the brainspan, study the facial bone structure, and inspect for possible signs of degenerescence the anatomy of this personage who up to that moment had been an integral part of village life; that they made him talk; that they questioned him concerning his thoughts, inclinations, habits, sensations, and opinions. And then, acquitting him of any crime, they decided finally to make him into a pure object of medicine and knowledge – an object to be shut away till the end of his life in the hospital at Mareville, but also to be made known to the world of learning through a detailed analysis. One can be fairly certain that during this time period the Lapcourt schoolmaster was instructing the little villagers to mind their language and not talk about all these things aloud. But this was undoubtedly one of the conditions of enabling the institutions of knowledge and power to overlay this everyday bit of theater with their solemn discourse. So it was that our society – and it was doubtless the first in history to take such measures – assembled around these timeless gestures, these barely furtive pleasures between simple-minded adults and alert children, a whole machinery for speechifying, analyzing, and investigating.
I know that at first reading, this seems like a contradiction. Here I am concerned about the exploitation of children and I am quoting an author that comes off as irresponsibly cavalier on the issue. The point here, though, is not whether Foucault rhetorically trivializes child abuse (he does) and whether or not that is a cheap shot (it is in many ways). The purpose of this passage for me is to question our deepest assumptions about sex in society. The assumption that Foucault questions is about the sexuality of children and how we pathologize deviants like the village dimwit. Reading this passage isn’t easy, it makes you angry, and then that anger makes you realize just how much you’re steeped in the ideologies of sexuality that our society proscribes.
The particular one that is upsetting me lately is that men cannot be victimized and if they are it is certainly not by other women. Do you think for a moment that these cases are an anomoly? Certainly, they must be symptoms of a much larger problem. I don’t want to use hysterical language or point to an epidemic that probably doesn’t exist but I also don’t see the point of burying our heads in the sand. Women can be child molestors and sexual agressors and violent criminals just like any other human being. We are so used to thinking of women as victims that that is difficult to remember and regard that fact at its full weight.
This oversight is, in my opinion, the single biggest mistake of modern feminism. My feminism is about challenging gender roles and recognizing patriarchy as an ideology that every human operates within and is affected by. Feminisms have done a terrible job of incorporating men because of this shortcoming and everyone is still playing the same gender roles whether they want to or not.


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8 Responses for "Women can be sick fucks, too"
Your points are very well taken, Ellie.
Thank you for saying something many of us think but haven’t had the courage to say.
I’m sure it has been said before but it bears repeating. – Ellie
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Astute points.
To me the point of this passage is the dichotomy of trivializing child abuse vs. understanding that the social repression of sexuality has harsher consequences then isolated incidences.
“One can be fairly certain that during this time period the Lapcourt schoolmaster was instructing the little villagers to mind their language and not talk about all these things aloud.”
The repression of sexuality, lack of sexual education and lack of basic healthy respect for ones body takes an act that can be almost innocent and make it life changingly traumatic.
It is the perversity of society is what Foucault is speaking about. If society did not secretize sex, if it didn’t sanctify and at the same time demonize sexuality, if it didn’t form guilt traps and unlivable systems of thought then these little girls who were “caressed” in the woods could run away and not be forever scarred.
Then there is the whole question of what social constructs placed the man in the position of needing to feel empowered by…
Eh. Why bother. Fucking Foucault. Mental masturbation… sort of literally. That bald French sadomasochistic genius. I wonder how much more condescending that passage sounds in perfect French.
I’m sure its quite condescending, I haven’t read it in French, though ;) I partially agree with what you are saying except perhaps the bit about repression is a misreading. The chapter on the repressive hypothesis is that repression is actually impossible. Acts to stiffle something, inevitably lead to a torrent of chatter and creation of talk about it. That is what he is getting at with the part about making the simpleton talk about sex. But, it all leads to the same point, that power flows in unpredictable ways but isn’t taken or given per se. – ellie
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This is one of the saddest double-standards out there, and I’m guilty of thinking “those lucky little bastards”, only because I would’ve sacrificed a limb to get with my 11th grade English teacher. But therein lies the difference. That was my teenaged fantasy. Adults preying upon impressionable youth is inexcusable, no matter who’s doing it.
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Ah yes, it’s very wrong to not equate how much of a predator people like Miss LaFave is compared to a guy who’d do the same.
It’s sexist because people think fair play to the little guy, rather than thinking he might be hurt, confused and upset. They find it funny because he’s pulled a teacher and is hey, he’s doing man stuff, and he’s a boy, so it’s all good.
If the teacher had been male people would be outraged, society has double standards galore.
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I think it’s harder for people to accept that women, who are socialized to be the primary nurturers of children, can also be such a destructive force in the life of the child. if you look at the sex offender registry in your own zip code, i assure you that you will find female sex offenders.
but i also guarantee you that you will find more men. people would be outraged if it were a male teacher who did it to a female child, both because of the way we’re socialized, the apparent power differentials (they exist too when females are the sex offenders), but I also feel that it’s unfair the amount of attention that’s placed on somewhat attractive female teachers/sex offenders. they get disproportionate press and it’s sensationalized and sometimes trivialized—we need more accurate media that provides us with ways to protect our children from sexual abuse, more ways to empower our children and equip them to protect themselves. instead we pretend sex doesn’t happen until your 21 and that you’ll never need to learn about abuse, gender relations, self-defense, STDs, baby-making, contraceptives—until you’re an adult.
sad, sad, sad.
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also! i think that patriarchy is a reality, not just an ideology. but women perpetuate it just as much as men. women can benefit from it just as much as men can suffer from it.
also, please update! i know you’re a busy gal, but i want more! more! more!
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I am currently in a graduate level class entitled “Sex Panics within History and Society in which we have read History of Sexuality cover to cover, critically examining nearly every line.”
In examining the passage you are quoting, I think it’s important to understand that in this passage, Foucault was not trivializing child abuse. Rather, I think he was trying to exemplify the ways in which the sexuality of children came under the scope of adults as power began trickling from the government and the Church down to the individuals. As the Church began moralizing sexual behaviors among bodies, government began reinforcing these ideals through the criminal justice system, which then gave individuals within society the power to monitor and reinforce these moralized ideals of sexualized behavior.
For the record, I am horrified by the thought of child abuse and molestation. But I am a critical feminist as well and felt I should point out that you quoted Foucault out of context. However, I enjoyed reading this and think it’s important to engage with these important historical texts and am certainly glad you are doing so.
I think that if you look at my commentary more closely, you’ll see that we don’t disagree very much. I’ve read History of Sexuality (all 3 volumes) several times. I’m not quoting out of context because I know that this passage isn’t about abuse. However, it is still trivializing of it to a certain extent. – Ellie
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I’m sorry. The class is “Sex Panics In History & Society.” I misplaced the quotes, as well. (Was in a rush to respond to a good topic!)
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